Curse

Winterclaw · Nov 16, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

This is just a thought, but how about a trader who sells blank, meaning non-class, tomes for both normal an elite versions. The trick of these items is they won't work on their own because they aren't associated with a class. In order to get a skill from them, you'd have to turn them into a class-related tome. In order to do that, you'd have to carry an elite signet that allows you to convert a blank tome into a class tome whenever you kill a boss (and it'd only recharge when another boss dies). For regular tomes you have to kill one NM boss. For elite tomes, you have to kill a HM boss. You then kill the boss and use the signet and voila.

In order to control the market you could also price them such that a sudden influx wouldn't have too much of an effect on current prices. Maybe for 1-3skill points and 3K-5k you could buy a blank elite tome. This with the signet that only works once per boss would act as limits to the number that could be created.

I think this would be a good idea because:
1. It would be an effective money sink unlike drop-tomes.
2. It would have enough of a cost that you couldn't keep cranking them out... as you'd have to gain more skill points eventually and you can only make 1 per boss killed.
3. It would reduce the grind investment somewhat until you run out of money or skill points.
4. It would give poorer characters a good way to get money as long as they have an initial start up fund and some skill points.
5. It would give the developers an oppertunity to add a new title: tome maker
6. Certain classes have less access to tomes due to various reasons, this would allow enterprising individuals to help make up for that lack.
7. It would open up a new venue for farmers or services. There could be tome-making runs or some such thing.
8. It would create a new market for stars of transferrence, which in turn would expand their role as a money sink.
9. It would force solo-farmers to be creative because the tome signet would use up their elite spot and many solo-farming builds need that elite. On the other end, non-solo farmers wouldn't be as hampered by this.

Sleeper Service · Nov 17, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

ummmm

I personally cant see anything wrong with this idea, i must be ill.

And i quite like the image of leaning over the corpse of a boss and sucking up their knowledge into a book.

so /signed for what its worth.

Phoenix Tears · Nov 17, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

i would find it better, when tomes would give you generally skills, regardless if unlocked or not for the acount ...by changing this, tomes would become also more worth

Sleeper Service · Nov 17, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

what you mean skills from other chapters you don't own Tears?

Phoenix Tears · Nov 17, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

what you mean skills from other chapters you don't own Tears?

ya ^^

example I get now a Elite Ranger town.. i havent unlocked yet for my account the Punishment Shot, but with the tome I can receive it ...

making this chane, and boon, tomes ge direct alot more worth

also people would have then finally an alternative versus Skil Cap Signets and the efort of hunting Skills ...

people have then the choice:

go hunt for elite, or buy elite tome and spare up the effort of hunting for the boss ...

Sleeper Service · Nov 17, 2007, 03:00 AM // 03:00

that would be great but Anet does not allow players to use skills from chapters they do not own. You can capture them off bosses, and they can use them against you, but the player cant.

so no thats not going to happen anytime soon, its part of their marketing strategy.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10211962

reverse_oreo · Nov 17, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

sleeper, i think he is saying instead of having a blank tome, he wants to be able to use skils he has not unlocked yet.

ensoriki · Nov 17, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Can we call them damned Tomes? (cursed) =P

That way the filter can block it!?

/signed.

Whirlwind · Nov 17, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Wow.

tomes for free or 500 gold is too much for ya huh?

Phoenix Tears · Nov 17, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

that would be great but Anet does not allow players to use skills from chapters they do not own. You can capture them off bosses, and they can use them against you, but the player cant.

so no thats not going to happen anytime soon, its part of their marketing strategy.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10211962

Um, naturally than only Skills from Campaigns, you own as player .. >.>

gameshoes3003 · Nov 17, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

/signed
Sounds good though I may never use it. Don't know why i wouldn't... Just don't have time for PvE as much as I used to. PvP is just faster... and I only have like 15 minute intervals to play lol.

Kraken The Mad · Nov 17, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

/notsigned

This would make capping skills that are supposed to be hard to cap really easy.
However i do think that if you could use tomes not only to learn unlocked skills, but also to unlock skills that would be good. however if you unlock a skill with a tome, you would then have to use another tome to learn that skill.

Phoenix Tears · Nov 17, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Kraken The Mad

/notsigned

This would make capping skills that are supposed to be hard to cap really easy.
However i do think that if you could use tomes not only to learn unlocked skills, but also to unlock skills that would be good. however if you unlock a skill with a tome, you would then have to use another tome to learn that skill.

that would be stupid ..why use 2 tomes, only to get 1 Skills, when you theoretically could get it direct with usage of only 1 book oO ????

Would anet change the tomes, as i said it, what they should changed like, then would the price for tomes explode ....

then you as player have the choice, if you either pay only 1 platin for your Cap signet and go hunt for your elite ... or if you don't want to hunt the dumb boss down and just want the skill have unlocked for your character/ (account > pvp) and pay for such a tome then like 15-20 Platin ...

dunno ,what elite tomes are atm worth XD, but however, that i think is a fair choice ... you want not hunt for boss, because u have maybe not the time for it, or you find this skil cap way system total boring and shit ...then pay simple more ,buy you elite tomes and unlock you so the skill, without having to hunt for the boss ...

its fair enough

using tomes only for skills, that are still unlocked is dumb and lessens only their theoretical value

Kiasyd117 · Nov 17, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

I'll admit that I only quickly skimmed through the multitude of replies to this topic so I may have missed the explaination here, but I don't really understand what it is you are proposing; we buy a blank elite/non-elite tome from a merchant, equip it and a special signet, go out and kill a NM/HM boss with the skill we want, cap the skill into the tome as opposed to just capping it onto our bar like normal, then use the tome to learn the skill? I do apologize but unless I significantly misunderstood what you were proposing it sounds like you are advocating a very complex multistep system to replace just using a cap sig or purchasing an elite tome outright. I guess the end result would be having elite tomes that give you a specific skill (i.e. Elite Ranger Tome of Archer's Signet) which the only use would be to circumvent having to own any of the other games or expansions while still reaping all the rewards. Honestly speaking, I can't see that happening, or even catching on if it does happen.

greenreaper3 · Nov 18, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

to big of a paragraph...cant stand reading it...

both the first one and the guy above me!

see how i space mine out?

oh and /notsigned i dont see whats wrong with tome ATM.

thedeadlyassassin · Nov 18, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

I donno what you mean.

But I'm going to say /notsigned until I get a clear understanding.

I farm tomes for money when I'm bored of dcore farming (I find killing bosses more enjoyable), and if anything that Anet does to screw tomes over than I'm going to be pissed.

Let tomes be tomes.

Kanyatta · Nov 18, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

Wow.

tomes for free or 500 gold is too much for ya huh?

Except those damned Monk Tomes, I see them sold for 1k all the time, and I would love something explained to me.

Why would you sell a normal tome for 1k, when you can just go over to the skill trainer and buy the skill for 1k or less? Obviously, if you're going to use the tome to unlock the skill, you have it unlocked thru Balth faction, so the skill is available at every skill trainer, and the max price is 1k.

I dunno, I see it all the time, and I dont understand it.

To the point, I think it would be a good idea for the blank tome things. It would probably drop the value of tomes, which is a good thing. Too much value is placed in skills and such, especially elite tomes.

Winterclaw · Nov 18, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Yeah, the elite skills were mostly the inspiration for this idea. However I could see where someone would want to stock up on regular tomes because he's planning on making a new character or has one with a lot of skill points and one with few skill points.

Eragon of Aleria · Nov 19, 2007, 02:58 AM // 02:58

Great ideas so far, but i do suspect that the prices of these blank tomes would be substantially higher than tomes with a set class. The reason being is that the price of tomes varies and some tomes are harder to come by than others. A nice idea but I don't see ANet trying to destroy this developed system of economy that so many players are involved in.

On the other hand, I do see the potential to strike down exploit like solo-farmers that want nothing more than to reap the monetary benefits of the game. I see it as sort of a destruction of the game spirit.

In conclusion I see this as an excellent idea that should be looked into further by game developers. Nicely done.

Sharkman · Nov 19, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Except those damned Monk Tomes, I see them sold for 1k all the time, and I would love something explained to me.

Probably because tomes dont require a skill point to use? That would be my guess.